Join psychoanalyst Adam Phillips and mathematician Jordan Ellenberg for a discussion about the challenges and pleasures of writing about complex concepts – whether the impassivity of poetics, the perplexities of individual motivation and behavior or the complexities of pure mathematics. Both thinkers write extensively in the public press about such topics and more, offering unique insight on communicating – and charming – audiences beyond academia. Phillips has written many well-known books, including On Kissing, Tickling and Being Bored, On Balance and most recently, Missing Out: In Praise of the Unlived Life. He writes and interviews widely in publications such as The New York Times and The London Review of Books. Ellenberg, beyond being a professor of mathematics at UW–Madison, has written a novel, The Grasshopper King, and regularly contributes articles on mathematical topics to Slate, Wired, The Washington Post and others. His forthcoming book with Penguin Press is titled How Not to Be Wrong.